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KHN

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2120 vs GNX3 and other new products

04/29/2003


I have a very big problem! I just lost my beloved 2120 and Iīm totally lost how to compensate it. Is GNX3 nearly as good as 2120 is? How well GNX3 can simulate tube sounds? Is it posible to mix tube(simulated) and transistor distortion sounds in GNX3? ...and what aboult other new products?

Mark Bratcher

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Re: 2120 vs GNX3 and other new products

04/29/2003


Is GNX3 nearly as good as 2120 is?

I wouldn't say that one is better. They are just quite different. Have you read the online descriptions and/or manual for the GNX-3? It would be a good way to learn about the features so you can at least see the feature differences. Then there's also the GNX-2, which is about the same as the GNX-3, but minus the built-in 8-track digital recorder.

How well GNX3 can simulate tube sounds?

I suppose that's a subjective matter. Some like it, some don't. If you want to hear music composed and performed using the GNX series, check out CodeKinesis.
I have a GNX-2 and I can say that it has a variety of ways of tweaking the sound to your taste, probably more than other modelers on the market. The ability to using the warp feature to create your own models is a key feature as well.

Is it posible to mix tube(simulated) and transistor distortion sounds in GNX3?

The GNX3 is all digital amp modeling, so the question is probably not applicable. If you mean can it do analog (solidstate or otherwise) distortion in addition to the digital modeling, then the answer would be "no".

what aboult other new products?

I don't know what's coming out in the future from DigiTech or other places specifically. Those companies tend to keep that information proprietary. If you mean other current new products by other manufacturers, then similar products would be Boss GT-6, Line 6 PodXT, and Behringer V-Amp2.

Check out the GNX forum on DigiTech's site and search for some of these key words. There's been a lot of discussion on some of these topics there that you might find helpful.

Mark Bratcher

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Re: 2120 vs GNX3 and other new products

04/29/2003


I forgot to ask... what happened to your 2120?

KHN

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Re: 2120 vs GNX3 and other new products

04/29/2003


Thanks for tips Mark! My 2120 had some kind of hidden trouble. Sometimes tube gain control didnīt work at all. Offical digitechīs repair shop couldīt fix it. I had a chance to cancel the deal with music shop ...so I got my money back (big money for student).
I tried Boss GT-6, Digitech GNX-1 and Line6 PodXT but they didnīt satisfy me completely...

KHN

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Re: 2120 vs GNX3 and other new products

05/18/2003


I have to add few comments in this thread. I finally ordered GNX2 pedal few weeks ago īcos I was quite impressed about all those features... but GNX2 was a big disapointment to me. There are a few main reasons:

1. Possibilities to adjust EQ are "nonexistent". You can only adjust three frequencies whose Q-value is much too big... and you cannot adjust Q-value at all. So itīs very very hard to get the tone you want.

2. Low frequencies donīt sound as tight(!) as in 2120. Actually GNX2īs low frequencies in any modelling sound like s*** (sorry). I canīt give more detailled information about this in english =)

3. High gain modellings have strange dark tone and you canīt change it without spoiling the orginal sound. For example line6 POD donīt have this problem.

4. Stompbox modellings sound like "toyboxes". Awful!

5. Whole GNX2 mostly sound like(and look like ) a toy.

6. ...and many little things that donīt sound or work as good as in 2120.

I have tried nearly everything in GNX2 and there are many features which can effect the tone but they just donīt effect righ way in my opinion.
OK. Some might say that you canīt compare GNX2 and 2120 they are so different devices. Thatīs true but overall sound quality in 2120 is much better than in GNX2.

p.s. Sorry about bad english


KHN

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Re: 2120 vs GNX3 and other new products

05/18/2003


...uh. I forgot the most important:

1. GNX2 sound "attack" is very very lazy. I donīt know the right expression in english but itīs something to do with how to sound breaks out... This was the main reason why I bought 2120...

Mark Bratcher

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Re: 2120 vs GNX3 and other new products

05/19/2003


1. Possibilities to adjust EQ are "nonexistent". You can only adjust three frequencies whose Q-value is much too big... and you cannot adjust Q-value at all. So itīs very very hard to get the tone you want.

Don't forget about the ability to assign various cabinets, cabinet tuning, and target system settings. All of these settings also affect EQ. So there's a bit more than the 3-band "semi-parametric EQ" that you are referring to.

Stompbox modellings sound like "toyboxes". Awful!

I've had good results with some of them, especially with particular amp models.

5. Whole GNX2 mostly sound like(and look like ) a toy.

It's very heavy metal casing that seems like you could run over with a truck and not hurt it. Grey metalflake design with black footswitches and knobs in a rectangular array. Pretty typical industrial design. As far as sound, it depends a great deal on what kind of amp you plug it into.

p.s. Sorry about bad english

Your English is very good. :-)

KHN

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Re: 2120 vs GNX3 and other new products

05/19/2003


Don't forget about the ability to assign various cabinets, cabinet tuning, and target system settings. All of these settings also affect EQ. So there's a bit more than the 3-band "semi-parametric EQ" that you are referring to.

You are right but Iīve tried many different combinations with these abilities and the main problems with the tone still remain.

As far as sound, it depends a great deal on what kind of amp you plug it into.

4x12 cabinet, 2x50 tube power amp

also

1x12 kombo amp

and directly to different devices (soundcard, mixer)

Today I bought old RP-20. And that device sounds absolutely great. That wasnīt surprise īcos itīs almost the same device than 2120.
GNX isnīt total crap but it isnīt what Iīm looking for. Some ampmodelīs are quite usable but I think that old Digitech devíces have better sound quality anyway...

Phil

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Re: 2120 vs GNX3 and other new products

05/30/2003


Can't you get a second hand 2120? If you can only find a 2112 get that and upgrade it to 2120, it's easy.

There is a ridiculous amount of EQ available in the 2120 for tone shaping.

(I'm not a fan of anything modelled, I'd rather have the thing that it's modelled on...i.e. one "real" marshall or mesa boogie sound than a whole set of "modelled" ones, none of which are as good as the originals)

Phil. #8^)*

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